speaking, which was back in like 2004, and he said, when you're -- your story becomes less about you, and more about other people, that's when you know, like you're at that stage you're doing good things. and essentially, you got to expand on that but pretty much he was just saying, you know, to listen to what other people have to say. everybody has a story. everybody has been through something in their life, and sometimes really honestly, as difficult as it may be, take a step back and think about, to an extent, like what their life is. and that to me is i always carried it with me. >> be a good listener. that's really interesting advice. and you're talking, remember you should be listening. obviously, my grandmother, two ears and one mouth, act accordingly. you have two ears, and one mouth. listen twice. >> that's great advice. j.r. martinez is a great guy.